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Hello all,
I'm searching for a sailboat! I'm a novice and mostly will use this boat as a live aboard until I get my sea legs. I have two options a very clean 1990 Hunter Legend 35.5 at 49k (list) and a less clean 1986 Catalina 34 at 31k (list).
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1990-hunter-35.5-legend-8499573/
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1986-catalina-34-8652710/
I've seen the Hunter in-person and I'll be seeing the Catalina soon. They are both ideal for a novice sailor and roomy enough for live aboard. But, I'd appreciate any opinions on the pricing and value of the boats. I don't know any boat owners and I don't want to rely on the salesmen for an unbiased opinion....

Hello all,
I'm searching for a sailboat! I'm a novice and mostly will use this boat as a live aboard until I get my sea legs. I have two options a very clean 1990 Hunter Legend 35.5 at 49k (list) and a less clean 1986 Catalina 34 at 31k (list).
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1990-hunter-35.5-legend-8499573/
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1986-catalina-34-8652710/
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I've seen the Hunter in-person and I'll be seeing the Catalina soon. They are both ideal for a novice sailor and roomy enough for live aboard. But, I'd appreciate any opinions on the pricing and value of the boats. I don't know any boat owners and I don't want to rely on the salesmen for an unbiased opinion....

I recently sold my jetskis so I can get something better for my family. I told myself I’d wait until the end of the season so I can get myself a good deal but I’ve had my eye out for a good deal. I have always admired the pilot house boats as I live in New York and it’ll extend the season for me. I drive a ridgeline and live less than 10 mins from a ramp on side streets but I don’t want anything much over 5000 pounds so that rules out a lot of things for me. I found the below listing and it seems like an ok deal but after Covid prices are all over the place. Does anyone have any insight?
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2013-parker-2120-sport-cabin-8852674/
It’s not mentioned in the listing but it has a 4g simrad radar system and comes with a venture aluminum roller trailer, has less than 300 hours on f150

First off, as the title states, this was a first round for me. I walked away relieved that I didn't get screwed; but, pretty disheartened by the whole process. I'm sure I made errors along the way and welcome any feedback/advice for a next time if there is one. I'd love to know if this is the typical and especially if any of you have been screwed out of your deposits in a similar fashion.
TL/DR: Don’t buy a Boat. Don't trust a broker. Don't trust the seller. Don't sign anything. The sky is falling. Global warming will kill us all. Zombies are coming and the world will burn. ;)
The only person looking out for you is YOU.
I’ve been boating/sailing for 50+ years (family/friend/charteclub boats) and finally decided to make the leap into a personal yacht (sailboat) to check off some bucket list items before I fizzle out. I’ve been looking for something 2005 or younger in the 38’ range on yachtworld (mostly) for years now and finally decided to pull the trigger. What a cluster F@#$ dealing with Yacht Brokers (my experience anyway – not bashing the whole community – yet…). Used car salesmen on steroids.
Anyway, I found a boat. Made an offer (38’ Sloop/Cutter Rig). Negotiated offer at just over $200K pending survey/riggesea-trial and planned to renegotiate after I had a better picture of the state of the yacht, it’s appraised value, etc. before the Accept/Reject date.
I’m doing everything on broker’s paper w/ electronic signatures and just playing along while figuring things out. The Purchase/Sale Agreement was ridiculous – especially the date triggers as it relates to the DEFAULT clause (more on that later). The broker who is acting as a dual-agent glosses over things and repeats over and over that “you can just walk away anytime you want before the accept/reject date and lose nothing but cost of survey…” Oh and FULL indemnification for the Broker of course.
Long story short, here is where they tried to get me and very curious if this is a typical trick or if my brokebrokerage just sucked. Buried in the agreement, there is a blank line in the deposit due date section with a note in parentheses next to it that says: “or three (3) business days if left blank” – this relates to when the 10% DEPOSIT is due and the 3 business days start upon Seller’s signature date.
Luckily, I’m a very cautious person by nature and have some contract experience so I highlighted and monitored these important dates (among other things) and asked a lot of questions. To this point, I think everything is fine and everything is just on me to perform per the agreement. First time boat buyer blah blah blah.
I should point out that the DEPOSIT is to be made to the Broker’s escrow account. There is NO information in the agreement related to that account information, how the deposit is to be made, etc. Because of this process gap and a ticking clock, I immediately asked the broker for this information. They say, it’s no rush – these things take time – let me check on that information and I’ll get back with you (multiple times). #HugeRedFlag
The Punch Line: The DEFAULT clause (tiny little thing at the bottom of page 3) speaks to the liability of Buyer and Seller as it relates to failing to close after accept/reject date, etc. Ok, that’s fine, don’t screw each other over. HOWEVER, it also says the Buyer is in DEFAULT if they fail to make the deposit by the required date in the agreement.
What’s the cure for DEFAULT? You guessed it. They keep your deposit (and if it hadn't been paid you now owe it) if the transaction fails to be completed for ANY reason with 50% going to the Broker and 50% going to the Seller. WTF?? So yeah, that pretty much ends all negotiations 3 days after Seller's signature regardless of when the accept/reject or closing dates are. The broker was waiting for this date to pass (even making themselves unavailable while the clock was ticking) to guarantee their commission and screw me over at the same time.
Other Issues: SelleBroker lied about condition and previous damage claims as it related to storm/collision/grounding/flood/lightening damage. Yacht name changes and different state’s titling and damage disclosure laws can seriously bite you in the a$$ here as well.
I got the Hull ID and asked my broker, the bank, and my surveyor if there was a way to trace damage claims. They each pointed me to the other and said the data wasn’t readily available (like it is with automobiles for example). So, I did my own research. I found out the name of the boat before the current/2nd owner changed it. I eventually came across a wonderful blog that the original owner and his wife created to share their adventures and Atlantic passage – they spent many years together and seemed to have a great time. Luckily for me, they also blogged about the many engine issues, a hard grounding in a channel while sailing in the fog (huge gouge in hull), leaks, electrical issues, etc. They even commented on where the boat was repaired (ship yard).
I later found that the current owner who said the boat has NEVER been damaged was also in a hurricane where the boat was on the bottom in the slip leaning against the mooring poles after all the water was sucked out of the bay by the storm...
Now I get it, this stuff happens and I’m NOT saying if it does that the boat is junk. If things are cared for and repaired properly, I’m sure the boat will outlive me. However, I want to know. I want the service and repair records. I want to consider all these things when making my final offedecision. I want my surveyor to know what to pay extra attention to. I want full disclosure.
In closing, UGH! I hated it.
Edit: spelling

I know absolutely nothing about boats, but I often find myself browsing yachtworld.com and I was wondering how big are those triangular beds at the front of those 30ft yacht? They look pretty small in the pictures. Can you fit two person in there? Normally there are 2 sofas in the middle of the boat, can you convert those into beds also? How do you live in a 30ft? I appreciate any personal stories or experience

Hello
Does anyone else find Yachworld's website to be slow and horrible? Especially in the photos section? I have an M1 MacBook and it still bad.
This is a silly thing to post about but it is a frustrating website to track sailboat prices. Where else might -- besides Craigslist -- can I track prices of boats?
Thanks

My wife and I are going to go make an offer on a Tayana 47. We really like the layout even though this particular one is really rough in the interior. The boat sank in 1995 during a hurricane, but has since been repaired and has been sailing ever since. Every piece of the interior wood is a different color, and it will require a lot of work to be fixed. It also needs a lot of electrical work done. They are asking $100k for it, but the broker mentioned they are "open to offers". The broker even said "it might be worth it if you can pick it up for 50k", and thinks it's going to take 150k to fix it up. My wife and I are very handy, and are planning to do the work ourselves, but we want to of course get the best price. Any tips on negotiating, what to look for, and any comments about Tayanas? We currently have a 25 ft MacGregor, so this is going to be our first big boat, so we have a lot to learn, and I'm thankful for any wisdom from some sailors salter than I.
Edit: A lot of you expressed surprise at the condition being not as bad as I described, and some of you found it on YachtWorld, so here's the link to give you a better idea of the damage: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1990-tayana-47-8376332/
To address some other things, my wife and I are 26, so we are young and bright eyed, and physically able haha.
I also see huge value in redoing all these things myself and knowing everything about it inside it out. The boat sails fine currently, and has since been re-powered after the original damage. I will seek more information about how long it was under, and someone brought up the title and insurance, that is DEFINITELY not something I considered so thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Electrical work doesn't scare me at all. Part of what drew me to it was the fact that I won't feel bad for tearing out old wiring that barely works vs old wiring that works fine haha.
My wife and I make 250k a year and have no debt, so it's never been a matter of trying to save money, and I'm fully aware that we may buy it for 50k and spend 150k and have a 150k boat at the end. My time horizon to finish it is 2+ years. And that's not set in stone. Regardless it sails fine the way it is.
I do understand that it will be a large learning curve to learn how to sail this vs the Mac and I look forward to the challenge. We plan on doing our ASA certs this year as well. What scares me more about this is getting scared and never doing it. Not necessarily the learning itself. We know its going to be hard, but we're very determined.
Thank you all so much for all the advice so far! I really appreciate it!
Edit 2: Us purchasing the boat is of course contingent on getting a good price. If anyone has some good tips on negotiating that would be helpful. I did sales in college so I have a baseline idea of negotiating but I don't know what works and what doesn't when buying a boat.
Final Edit: went and looked a second time, this time we pulled up the cushions and pushed on all the wood, etc. We found 3 active leaks and some foam that was completely waterlogged, so we decided to skip it. Thanks everyone!

In the middle of doing research in general for these size boats, and I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions or subreddits on these engines/models? Thanks in advance! https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2006-four-winns-378-vista-8533801/

Recently came across this boat. Looks like a proper bluewater build, why such a low price? Curios if anyone here can identify what's wrong with it.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1970-custom-buchanan-8000690/

I've inquired about a number of nice looking sailboats recently and finding more and more of them to be previously damaged in a Hurricane, snatched up by an investor from the insurance company after the yacht was totaled, repairing and hoping to flip for profit.
Obviously this isn't disclosed in the adds (yachtworld dot com) and others. I understand that you get what you pay for. I'm just not sure if these boats should be ignored for anything other than day sailing or if anyone has had better luck in this market? What to look for. What to do. What to offer. What to expect...
For some of these I've requested and received pre-repair photos and on some occasions post-repair surveys for insurance purposes. Unfortunately, most of these seem to be out of the water surveys and the language seems a bit loose?
Besides 'follow your gut', is there any guidance from more experienced sailors out there when evaluating these types of yachts? I'm looking for something blue water capable and in the 35' - 55' range. Almost retirement age which is probably not the best time for first boat purchasing mistakes; but, it's always been a dream and well... running out of time.
Thanks in advance and happy sailing!

It seems like a lot of boat for, relative to it's size, not a lot of money.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1992-macgregor-65-pilothouse-7304888/
Yea, I know it's in Croatia. And I'm keeping my eye on boats like this, I don't know if I would want something so narrow. For a 65' boat it's beam is only 12'. So many other 65's are in the 15-17' range.

I've been looking at used Symbol yachts from the early 2000s like this one on YachtWorld: https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2004-symbol-45-fast-trawler-8396810/
There's a Symbol motoryacht near us in the marina and it looks very nice from the outside.
I've read a number of threads on trawlerforum.com and other sites but reviews seem to be mixed.
Does anyone here have any experience with them?

Ok, so I’m a middle age dude I guess 42. My dream is to sail around the world someday. I have most summers off. I’m considering buying something to just to sail around the Caribbean during the summers for right now. And get some sailing experience.35-42 foot range. 30k and under. Definitely nothing super nice.
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1989-irwin-38-mk-ii-8410761/
What do y’all think of something like this ? I worked in a fiberglass shop for a couple years so any fiberglass work does scare me. I emailed and they said it did need alot of wood work inside (no idea how difficult that is)So my question is do you think something like this would be worth looking into for what I’m trying to do? Overkill? Just looking for your thoughts and opinions. Thanks for any help!

Sorry. I'm a total newbie to boating. But my dream is to get a yacht and was wondering if something like the GT 48 could head out into the ocean or could make long trips?
Would something like this be able to handle storms?
https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/2018-fairline-targa-48-gt-8529975/

Hello, im a newbie, go easy!!
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Im thinking of buying my first boat, as a liveaboard, probably a motor yacht (due to the extra space) but maybe a sail yacht.
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Currently selling my house and dont want a mortgage, I figured buying a liveaboard may be a solution.
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I understand there are lots of costs to consider, engine servicing, recoat of the hull etc etc... however, one of the costs I just cant seem to fathom is fuel.
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Im not planning on going anywhere fast, so can travel at economical speeds but when im looking at the classifieds on boats it gives no indication of the expected fuel costs. Ive seen posts saying that an average size motor yacht would require 500 gallons of fuel to get from america to the UK and other posts saying it would be $40,000 of fuel. Is there anywhere I can get expected fuel costs on various engines, and is there then a way to figure how that translates to tonnage of a vessel?
Also, im mostly looking at Yachtworld.co.uk for the vessels, is there a better, more trusted site?

Generally will brokers be willing to share a print out or two of boat models you are interested in?
I'm sure that their contract limits some of this, but surely it's one of the few value adds brokers bring to the table?
For those not in the know.... yachtworld / boat group have a commanding monopoly on boat sales, making their own private boat mls. You can get access to this if you have a broker license, and pay their dues.
They also have actual sale price data for all boats listed through their MLS. This is available to brokers, and also repackaged and sold without listing data to surveyors as soldboats.com.